Toy and the $ 850,000 question.

Recently, Galion city council authorized Gene Toy to borrow 850,000 dollars for Galion's so called portion of the Portland Way widening project. Toy proclaimed ODOT is ready to do this finally.

 

This happened in January.

 

http://galioninquirer.com/local.asp?ID=2146&Story=1

 

Just one problem...this project is nowhere on ODOT's construction list this year, next year, 2013, 2014 or 2015.

 

This is the updated Ohio ODOT TRAC grant list  ( construction ) schedule through 2015. Galion is listed nowhere.

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/trac/TRAC%20List/2011-2015%20Major%20New...

 

 

Toy has also claimed it's a federal stimulus grant, that's false. All that money has already been spent and or allocated. Just two remaining projects in Ohio remain to be finished, the US 33 bypass near Nelsonville in southeast Ohio and the replacement of the decrepit I-90 bridge in Cleveland.

 

Toy has also claimed this was a small city grant authorization from ODOT.

 

These are the projects in the small city grant program through 2013. Where is Galion ?

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/TransSysDev/ProgramMgt/Project...

 

Why would Toy borrow money for a road project, ODOT is not building, and yet tell everyone they are ? Why would city council authorize him to do this ?

 

Where is the money going and why ?

 

http://www.wmfd.com/newsboard/single.asp?Story=45808

 

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Permalink Reply by knowsher on July 21, 2011 at 2:18pm

Apparently you think the ability to copy and paste URL addresses makes you a smart person. It doesn't. It just proves that you don't know the difference between relevant and irrelevant information. The links you pasted have nothing to do with the Portland Way widening project. The first link you pasted directs a person to a 2011-2015 Major New Program list containing Transportation Review and Advisory Council (TRAC) Tier 1 and Tier 2 projects. The Portland Way widening project is not a TRAC project - it is an ODOT Small City Program project. They are two completely different funding sources and two completely different types of projects. Just as a person would not expect to find McDonald's on a Wendy's menu, WalMart stuff at Meijer, or BP gas at Shell, most people other than you would not think that the city manager is up to no good if a Small City project is not on a TRAC list. Even if the Portland Way widening project was a TRAC project (WHICH AGAIN - IT IS NOT) it would not be on the list that follows the first pasted link. TRAC Major New Programs cost more than $5 million, which the Portland Way widening project does not.

 

While you do provide some comic relief, your act is getting old. Your ignorance shows and you have no interest in making Galion a better place. You are only trying to stir the trouble pot from a distance by getting on here and spreading lies and rumors. Get a life. If you really want to find out the truth about this project (now there's a novel thought for you!!!), ask for a copy of the ELLIS report like I did. It will list all the information you need to know about the project (including contact information for ODOT who will verify the status of the project).

Permalink Reply by Anthony on July 21, 2011 at 3:36pm

 

 

Small city grant construction project through 2013, where is Galion ?

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/ProgramMgt/Projects/A...

 

TRAC programs are not all 5 million or more.

 

Verify the status, I did, right from the assistant ODOT director himself.

 

The ELLIS report, you quote from, state the exact same thing " PROPOSED PROJECT "

 

In the report you refuse to post up here, funds would not even be available until 2014, if the state has any money at all for it.

 

 

Permalink Reply by knowsher on July 21, 2011 at 4:21pm

Small city grant construction project through 2013, where is Galion ?

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/ProgramMgt/Projects/A...

 

Your ability to copy and paste URL's is unparalleled. If you were around here and if you cared to actually pay attention to what's going on in Galion, listen, and look at the ELLIS report, you would know that the Portland Way widening project is programmed for fiscal year 2014 Small City funding. I know this might be a challenge for you, but can you figure out why a 2014 project would not be on a 2013 list? Chew on it for a while. Eventually it will come to you.

 

TRAC programs are not all 5 million or more.

 

Verify the status, I did, right from the assistant ODOT director himself.

 

Look up the TRAC policies and procedures manual and read it for yourself. So you talked to the "assistant ODOT director himself", huh? Got a name and number by any chance? I didn't think so.

 

The ELLIS report, you quote from, state the exact same thing " PROPOSED PROJECT "

 

In the report you refuse to post up here, funds would not even be available until 2014, if the state has any money at all for it.

 

I'm confused. If you looked at the ELLIS report then why a need to paste a link on here? You apparently saw it and know what it says. Pasting URL's is your area of expertise, not mine. Of course it says "Proposed Project" you doofus. All ODOT projects are proposed until they under actual construction.

Permalink Reply by Anthony on July 21, 2011 at 4:50pm

You have proven nothing.

 

You continue to make assertions with absolutely no proof, none what so ever.

 

That what the links are for, it's called PROOF TO THE MASSES.

 

If you now say the project is on the 2014 cycle, why did TOY borrow money for it this year ?

 

Chew on that, then come up with a lame excuse, the evidence from ODOT will refute everything you claim.

 

You do know that ODOT periodically has shut down the small city program when the state budget hits the fiscal skids.

Permalink Reply by Melanie Z. on July 21, 2011 at 4:58pm
Toy didn't borrow money for it for this year (actually, that would be that Council didn't borrow the money for this year). My councilman said that this expenditure was for preliminary sanitary sewer work that would be more costly if it waited until the FY 2014 Portland Way North widening project.
Permalink Reply by Anthony on July 21, 2011 at 5:09pm

Ask yourself this Melanie... 

 

How in the world could it be more costly in 2014 neccestating the funds borrowed now and interest to be paid on it now for a project 3 years into the future?

 

There is no shortgage of sewer pipes. Maybe Toy's magic 8 ball told him there will be one in 2014.

 

That is an absurd excuse and not believable.

 

Permalink Reply by knowsher on July 21, 2011 at 5:15pm
Sort of. Based on discussions at council meetings and the reporting from the recent FPSC meeting, $850,000 in debt was issued earlier in 2011 for final engineering design and for any preliminary project-related construction that may be necessary before FY2014 that the city would be 100% responsible for (i.e. not eligible for Small City funding). You're right about borrowing money. The city manager can't borrow one penny that isn't authorized by city council and the FPSC.
Permalink Reply by knowsher on July 21, 2011 at 5:05pm
You're a hoot. I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink. I'm right, you're wrong.
Permalink Reply by Anthony on July 21, 2011 at 5:14pm

 

You're so called water is nothing but a mirage.

 

There is no water to drink.

 

 

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